As an SMSF Specialist and Financial Planner I do not pretend to my clients that I am an investment guru or that I can tell what will be the next big thing!. I believe my job is to guide them in portfolio construction and advise on diversification while bringing up opportunities to their attention that they may not have considered. This includes some IPO’s and in the last few years I have supported HPI, MPL, QVE, BWP, PIC and avoided some I just couldn’t see long-term value in like MYR, Dick Smith (DSH), McGrath (MEA). I never call them all right but I do limit what clients invest in each to what they can afford to lose.
I did not make these decisions for my clients on my own. I relied heavily for support on services such as our own in-house research team at Magnitude and eQR equities research, third-party research services like Morningstar, Intelligent Investor and discussions with peers and those I believe are thought leaders in the SMSF and Investment space. See the Twitter list here
So when I saw the Guvera IPO come up and having followed them from about 2 years ago when I signed up to their beta service it tweaked my interest. But once I had done my own research and read what others had provided I decided this was a no go area for any SMSF client looking to build wealth for retirement as superannuation is intended.
The figures spoke for themselves. $1.2 million in revenue on a $81.1 million loss and a failed attempt to raise money from size-able seed investors. Believe me there are many sources of venture and angel capital funds out there for good start-up ventures with potential so when an idea has good prospects it will receive support and at such an early stage in its life it should not be seeking a listing on the ASX as it has not proved itself.
I struggle to see how a responsible advisor could recommend a IPO like Guvera’s to many SMSF investors let alone 3000 of them. It appears that the main fund-raiser for this IPO is promoting it via related Accounting firms and rumours of SMSFs being set up just to invest in this IPO as their only current asset. I also question if Accountants and Advisers who have become promoters of this IPO are receiving options or referral fees and assume that they are fully disclosing these to clients who must trust them for guidance. I question whether post July 2016 when Accountants’s will be legally obliged to provide Statements of Advice under a Best Interest’s duty and fully outlining the terms and risks on a personal basis for a client or their SMSF if such an investment could be as targeted to SMSFs.
Its not just me, the Australian Shareholders Association raise concerns about Guvera on Ross Greenwood’s show on 2GB. Listen here for the podcast. http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/182331
This type of venture is a very, very highly speculative investment suitable for no more than 1-5% of the most aggressive of investors portfolios so I do not believe it should be promoted by private equity through accounting firms or financial planning firms to their SMSF clients. I will call it now as possibly the next Trio or WestPoint.
So that’s my call and guidance I have given to my clients. What are your thoughts? Am I becoming an old fuddy-duddy with no eye to the potential future of this firm?
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Liam Shorte B.Bus SSA™ AFP
Financial Planner & SMSF Specialist Advisor™
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Doug Dellit
/ September 14, 2016Since the very beginning in 2008, Guvera never had the slightest chance to ever make money (the music business is tough and burnt every major player in the world). The founders of Guvera knew that very well. Their whole purpose of the ongoing fund raisings \was to make money for themselves which they have done very nicely. Guvera is a SCAM and always was. I know nothing of the financial world but I do know IT and I do know music and I’m shocked that the financial world never woke up to the fact that Guvera was a cardboard company with zero technology, worthless music licences and a ridiculous business model. Disgraceful!
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Dave Rae
/ June 11, 2016How sophisticated are these investors if some have put their entire SMSF balance into Guvera as reported?
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SMSF Coach - Liam Shorte
/ June 11, 2016Dave, We know that Accountants are the gateway to getting a Sophisticated Investor certificate signed so AMMA targeted the right point in the system.
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Nishad Joshi
/ June 9, 2016I did keep a check on Google News for keywords; Guvera and music.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/storm-blares-over-guvera-musics-promotion-of-registered-user-numbers-versus-actual-listeners/news-story/8f4d9df994b22845eb2e47e99141451b
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/double-fee-riddle-rocks-gold-coast-music-streaming-startup-guvera/news-story/94a3641a23ed1aa3e8ccf5f2ac11980a
They should be more froogal when I read a quote;
“According to Reuters, a 2010 bash in New York featured appearances from Alice Cooper and Mos Def, “a 45-foot-tall ice sculpture of the word ‘revolution’, sequined burlesque dancers, and, naturally, a station of cigar rollers”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/cbd/guvera-struggling-in-the-stream-20160125-gmdkoe.html#ixzz4B4EVjXin
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook”
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/guvera-property-deal-with-musicstreaming-firms-chairman-darren-herft-targeted-in-court-dispute/news-story/66ab54621d3f120d443fe128acded2cc
http://www.couriermail.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=CMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/lawsuits-entangle-music-streaming-service-guvera-amma-private-investment/news-story/c308533dfbbb8aa9552a4f928cb0f76b&memtype=anonymous
https://mumbrella.com.au/motivated-vendor-major-guvera-stakeholder-looks-to-offload-5m-shares-in-streaming-firm-307078
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Nishad Joshi
/ June 9, 2016http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/storm-blares-over-guvera-musics-promotion-of-registered-user-numbers-versus-actual-listeners/news-story/8f4d9df994b22845eb2e47e99141451b
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/double-fee-riddle-rocks-gold-coast-music-streaming-startup-guvera/news-story/94a3641a23ed1aa3e8ccf5f2ac11980a
They should be more froogal when I read a quote;
“According to Reuters, a 2010 bash in New York featured appearances from Alice Cooper and Mos Def, “a 45-foot-tall ice sculpture of the word ‘revolution’, sequined burlesque dancers, and, naturally, a station of cigar rollers”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/cbd/guvera-struggling-in-the-stream-20160125-gmdkoe.html#ixzz4B4EVjXin
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook”
http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/guvera-property-deal-with-musicstreaming-firms-chairman-darren-herft-targeted-in-court-dispute/news-story/66ab54621d3f120d443fe128acded2cc
http://www.couriermail.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=CMWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&mode=premium&dest=http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/lawsuits-entangle-music-streaming-service-guvera-amma-private-investment/news-story/c308533dfbbb8aa9552a4f928cb0f76b&memtype=anonymous
https://mumbrella.com.au/motivated-vendor-major-guvera-stakeholder-looks-to-offload-5m-shares-in-streaming-firm-307078
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Gareth Colgan
/ June 9, 2016IPO – imaginary profits only
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Nishad Joshi
/ June 10, 2016That is a very good explanation.
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